Since July 20, 1993, when the body of deputy White House counsel Vincent
Foster was found at Fort Marcy Park, the American government, and more
importantly, the American press, have concealed the true facts of the death
from the American people.
Now, ten years later, we hear from the leading government investigator that
Foster did not die the way officials have said. We now learn firsthand -
from the person in charge of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's Foster
death investigation - that Starr's investigation was a sham and that its
conclusion was determined even before the investigation even began.
Investigators altered the crime scene, and a few people controlled the
outcome of the investigation. The press controlled how it would be
You are about to hear the voice of Miquel Rodriguez, a United States
Attorney working in Sacramento California.
Mr. Rodriguez resigned from Kenneth Starr's office of Independent Counsel in
the spring of 1995, when Kenneth Starr's staff frustrated his investigation.
Mr. Rodriguez resigned because he refused to join the others in covering up
Foster's murder. Mr. Rodriguez revealed the truth to over a hundred
people - journalists, congressmen, senators, and others, in his attempts to
get the facts of the case to the public. What you will hear are actual
excerpts from some of these conversations. Only the voice of Mr. Rodriguez
is heard, to protect confidential sources.
In this first segment, you will hear that Vincent Foster did not die the way
Kenneth Starr's predecessor, Robert Fiske, had said. The evidence does not
support the conclusion of suicide.
All I know is that things did not happen the way that Fiske said that they
happened. And the reports don't support what Fiske said. There's, there's
really nothing is consistent with him, ah, you know, committing that kind of
a violent - or that kind of violent act at all. So, it did not happen the
way that Fiske said it happened.
One fact about Foster's death was the first rescue workers to arrive at the
body saw very little blood. People who arrived later saw much more blood.
Robert Fiske and Kenneth Starr falsely claimed that a quantity of blood was
observed where the body was first discovered. Another false story was the
story by Fiske and Starr was that an early observer, a rescue worker, had
moved Foster's head to check for a pulse.
By the way, you know why there was blood by the way. What happened is that
by the time they got there when the body was in the position that it was in,
there was no virtually no blood anywhere. Um, then there's, there are some
conflicting reports about there being blood later on. Later the EMT sees
blood, then Haut sees blood. Well the reason is very clear. They lifted
the body and pulled it to the top of the ridge, top of the berm, and once
they did that blood started flowing fast. And then when they took the body
and put it into the body bag, which was right - in other words they - it was
on a slope - they pull it up onto the slope. In fact, one of the persons who
was there when the body was pulled made a joke because the body started
sliding back down the hill. Then, they pulled the body up to the top of the
berm. When the body is horizontal or even at the top of the berm it's not
quite horizontal it's a little bit of a back-slope - and all of a sudden the
blood starts gushing out, there's a lot of blood then under the body.
Miquel Rodriguez explains that the body was moved in the presence of Park
Police Officer John Rolla, with the knowledge of the medical examiner Dr.
Donald Haut, and others. Rescue worker Corey Ashford arrived at Foster's
body after it had already been moved Crime scene photos of the body as it
had originally been observed apparently vanished.
Exactly, but Corey's also the one who - that's when the body's in the
upright - not in the upright - but in the ah, in a ah, supine position, um,
on the top of the berm, already, in other words, different than, some of
the - Ashford and the persons who actually lifted the body into the body
bag, don't see the body in its original position. They see it in a
horizontal position, um, having been moved from a vertical position. And so
when it's in the horizontal position there is blood coagulating under the
body before it goes into the body bag. That explains the difference in
there being a lot of blood. And that's what Haut sees also. Haut asks that
the body be rolled, um, when it's in the horizontal position, so when Haut
sees the body, the body then a horizontal state - and yes there's going to
You see so Haut actually sees the body in two positions and people are
conveniently using different phrases of Haut to justify whatever result they
want. Sure Haut says on one hand there is no blood, then, he says, on the
other hand, there is blood. The fact is, a number of people have said there
was a small amount where the body was originally found. Later on it's moved
to a horizontal position at the top of the berm where it does have some
seepage under the body. And then when they put it in the body bag they see,
faced in that horizontal position, there's a ten-inch or so bloodstain under
Mike Wallace of 60 minutes, and Jim Wooten of ABC News hoodwinked the public
by broadcasting that there was plenty of blood where Foster's body was
found. There was more tampering with the crime scene when the FBI
re-landscaped the park where Foster's body was found, destroying evidence of
park trails and entrances.
And do you really know what the egress and, and access is, ah, to the Park.
You have to go back to 1993. You have to go back to prior to the body being
found and find out what access there was, who knew about that access, um,
and how is it changed. That is the whole point, you're, again you guys
really have to understand they've re-landscaped it prior to this - you know,
they, they've changed gates, they've changed paths, they've changed trees,
they've filled gullies, they've redefined the slope. You know the whole
thing was changed when I was there. The whole area has been re-landscaped.
They've even taken, they've even filled the gorge down below - they've taken
that and filled it with, with ah pieces of wood and so that they've changed
the path that used to be down at the bottom of the berm. You, you guys
can't imagine what the aerials looked like a year before. It is - all of
this is just so much nonsense. It was landscaped the sly long ago. They,
Officially, Foster was found with a black colt revolver in his hand. But
that's not what the first witnesses saw. Richard Arthur, a paramedic at the
scene saw an automatic pistol. The investigators ignored this gun. The gun
officially found in Foster's hand was not the same gun in his hand when the
rescue workers arrived.
Even the Park Police, even the Park Police and the person who first saw the
body, ah, saw different things. But there was a point in time where the
particular gun that he described arrived and something before that was
either not observed or not completely identified.
Both paramedics at the scene saw a bullet wound in Vince Foster's neck.
Miquel Rodriguez reviewed photographs of the body at the scene and also saw
the trauma to Fosarter's Fisk's report falsely stated that, "photographs
found at the scene conclusively show that there was no such wounds."
Starr's report stated that the paramedic who was saw the bullet wound in the
neck ''may have been mistaken."
Both EMT's - you know when you have a, a murder scene you call the fire
department they will send their normal crew and each crew may have an EMT
with them, ah, with a specially trained fire department person. Both EMT's
that responded to the Park both observed trauma to the neck. While Arthur
remained clear on it despite the FBI's attempt to shake him, the other one
was confused by the FBI and kept saying what he saw but they kept writing it
a different way.
I saw pictures that clearly indicate to me that there is trauma on the neck.
I believe it's a puncture wound on the neck.
Kenneth Starr's report on Foster's death states, "according to Secret
Service records, the Secret Service was notified of Mr. Foster's death at
about 8:30 p.m. eastern time on July 20th." Paramedics and rescue workers
were called at 6:00 pm, and, according to Miquel Rodriguez, the White House
knew well before the first 911 call was placed.
There's indications that the White House and others knew prior to the time
it was officially said to be told. There was notification made well before
the time that the EMTs were called.
Reporters and editors have deceived people by publicizing the foolish idea
that that too many people would have to be involved for the a cover-up to
There's not that many people who know these things really. You don't need a
lot of people to know what's going on. In fact, you don't need many at all.
Everyone makes a very big mistake when they believe that a lot of people are
necessary to orchestrate some kind of - some result here. Very few people
need to know anything about anything, really. All, all people need to know
is what their job is, not why - be a good soldier, carry out the orders.
And there are a lot of people from - starting at the very night that the
body was investigated, all the way down the line, there were, there were,
people told to do certain things and they didn't - and there - and their
rationale was that they were following orders, being told what to do.
Nobody, ah, and this goes for all the FBI agents - they all, they don't
necessarily know the big picture - they don't know what other people are
writing in their reports. When you write a report all you have to do is
make sure that it's consistent with - the most innocuous thing is to make
sure it is consistent with the result that you ultimately want to get, which
is not embarrass your other colleagues who have made a conclusions already.
It's some motivation which is that simple and, and, you know all of a sudden
your notes aren't, don't, exactly reflect what other people have said. It's
very simple. It's a very, a very, ah, clean formula to achieve the result.
You don't have to know the big picture. All you need to do is just have a
couple of people involved.
In other words, if Braun and, you know, two or three others are out there
assisting and making this all go smoothly, right, then they're the ones who
ultimately collecting all the notes of the other officers, right, then they,
all they do is submit their own notes and their final report. You see, very
few people that they've sent people out there and you, you, ah, talk to
those people, interview 'em and I'll be over in a little while. You know,
you come over, you get their notes and you write your report. Your report's
wrong, you hope nobody's gonna catch you on it but if they do so what. It
gets obscured and obscured and obscured because you, you control the central
figures in the investigation. We don't need all these Park Police and all
these FBI agents to know the overall crime.
The FBI conducted the first investigation along with the Park Police. The
FBI reinvestigated Foster's death under Independent Counsel Fiske, then,
Kenneth Starr used the very same FBI agents in his investigation for his
investigation. The American press misled the American public by reporting
that there have been several independent investigations, when, in fact, all
of the investigations were done by the FBI .
Starr could only be as good as the agents - I mean how independent can Starr
really be when he was being supplied by the very same agency, ah, you know
with the investigative team that did the investigation in first - the very
Kenneth Starr hired Dr. Henry Lee lend Lee's reputation to the
cover-up.Another member of Starr's investigation was Mark Touhey, a former
District of Columbia's Bar. Mark Touhey squelched Rodriguez' efforts to
issue subpoenas and call witnesses.
I honestly believe that there's a, ah, that ah, that the reason he's hired
is to guarantee a result. And Mr. Lee's, um, reputation will be used to
close the door again. You know, the, the games are being played with people,
you know, like, like Lee and, and, and ah, Tuohey and, and - you don't see
them as firing people, you know, who I used to work with back in that
office - who will, will say and do what they have to, to move up the ladder.
It's not just Tuohey, there's a lot of people that are, are very interested
in controlling the result here. I wrote that to Starr back in January of,
of this year and in December of this year it was squelched by, by Tuohey
because a lot of - he was a team player and, you know, I know, my office was
searched by him, you know, um, I know what he is capable of doing. That
includes throwing a tantrum and throwing chairs.
I was unable to call witnesses and issue subpoenas and, under control of the
democrat Mark Tuohey, who was compromised. It's in - it's in many
Republicans' interest to not rock the boat.
There is - what we're talking about is ultimate power.
Clearly, the American Press participated in the cover-up of Foster's murder.
Miquel Rodriguez reached out and told "over 100" reporters much more than
you're hearing today. The American Press only parroted the official lie that
they were spoon-fed by Kenneth Starr's Office of Independent Counsel.
I have talked to a number of people that - you know, from Time Magazine,
Newsweek, Nightline, the New York Times, Boston Globe, the Atlanta whatever,
um, you know there have been well over a hundred, and it risks - this matter
is so sealed tight and, um, the reporters are all genuinely interested but
the ah, the ah, um, the report- the ed- reporters are genuinely interested
but the ah - when they start to get excited and they've got a story and
they're ready to go, the editors - and they - I've gotten calls back, I've
gotten calls back from all kinds of magazines worldwide, what the hell's
wrong, why can't, you know, you were telling me that you, you didn't think
this would go anywhere and sure enough I wrote the stories.
They went to all the trouble of writing, and then it got killed. Again, I,
I, you know, I spent almost eleven hours with, with [Stephen] Labaton,* or
six hours with Labaton, and ah, you know, I know the guy knows, um, that
there's a lot more, um, ah - I know, I know the New York Times has it -
knows, and just won't ah, ah, I know that they won't do anything about it
and I do know that, that many people have called me back. Reporters that
I've spent a lot of time with called me back and said the editors won't
allow it to go to press. The accepted media here has always had, ah, a
certain take on all of this. And there's been story lines from the get-go.
There never really was an investigation into Vincent Foster's death. There
was only the appearance of an investigation. Park Police investigator
Cheryl Braun, admitted in testimony that the determination that the death
was a suicide was made prior to her going up and looking at the body. The
Fiske and Starr investigations were result-oriented. Miquel Rodriguez
resigned because he would not be part of an investigation with a forgone
It's ah, the result is being dictated by a lot higher, um, authority than I
think people really understand or appreciate and certainly more than I ever
appreciated. What with this whole notion ah, you know, of, of doing an
honest investigation, um, you know, you know, it's, it's laughable.
I knew what the result was going to be, I was told what the result was going
to be from the get-go. And then there's all so much fluff, and a look-good
job, it's just, this is all, all so much nonsense and I knew the result
before the investigation began.
That's why I left. I don't do investigations like that - to do
investigations to justify results. There's a - again, I don't think they
can go back to the fact that, and it's just a fact for me because it was
told to me, the result here has already been determined. It was determined
long ago. Fiske himself indicated that he had determined the result before
he had ever released a report. And that's the way all the investigations
have resulted - it ends before it's ended. Again, you know, I left for a
very good reason. The results, you know, were dictated and I don't do that
kind of work.
Who has the power to threaten the United States Attorney without
consequence? Miquel Rodriguez was threatened. He was threatened
professionally, physically, and personally.
The Independent Counsel themselves, and the FBI, beat me back, in fact
threatened me. They told me to quote, this is a quote, "back off," either
"back off or back down." They used both of them.
You know it's - I have been communicated with again and told to you know, to
be careful where I tread.
I can tell you this, that ah, ah, that it has not only to do with my career
and reputation, um, they've also had to do with my personal health and
The Jason Blairs are only a distraction from what is wrong with the American
press. The ongoing problem is the owners and editors that continue to
protect the people who threatened Miquel Rodriguez. As long as the criminal
cover-up of Vince Foster's murder continues, the journalism profession
deserves the scorn of the American public.
This audio presentation was written and produced by Whitewater grand jury
witness Pat Knowlton and his lawyer John H. Clarke for the American people.
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